Boot Rifle Tranning at Camp Mathews

By ramblingbob

     I subscribe to a weekly newsletter called Sgt. Grunt.  It is published weekly on Fridays by a one of us Marines who never quit being a Marine after we quit wearing the uniform.  It has a store site where you can purchase Marine related items, but mostly it consists of short letters, remembrances and salutes to us marines active and inactive.  

     You have probably figured I’m a old bird by now, but some of these letters really remind me just how old I’m getting to be.  For instance recently there has been a spate of entries regarding the old boot rifle training camp at Camp Mathews.  This camp no longer exists as one of the letters noted last Friday.  The old Marine stated his platoon was the last to do rifle  there in 1964.  This was where the recruits at the San Deigo Recruit Depot got their live fire training.  I did my rifle training in nineteen-fifty-six.  Camp Mathews was located north of San Deigo in what is Layhola now.  It sat just off old highway 101 on the east side of the road.  It was a series of rolling hills and gullys, with the rifle ranges located in the lowest valleys. 

     We were bussed up to Mathews in old grey Navy buses, with our rifles and duffel bags.  We lived out of the duffel bags for the whole duration of the time spent there.  I disremember if it was four or six weeks, but it was a pain in the a$$.  We were quartered in row after row of eight man squad tents.  These were erected over a plywood floor with a outside frame of two by fours, with the heavy five inch octagon pole in the middle supporting the whole thing.  If you ever saw the TV series MASH that was what our living quarters looked like.  Except we did not have the mesh siding like they did.  On hot days we could with permission roll the sides up (seldom given).  At night they were rolled down and secured it was almost not worth the trouble to roll the sides up.  We had eight canvas army cots in each tent around the outside edge.  Each day was started with the cleaning and police our tents and entire area with the walks swept and the dirt Lawn raked. 

     In boot camp we had no first name unless there was someone else with the same last name then a initial was used.  In our platoon we had two sets of brothers and a set of cousins.  They were known a big Decker and little Decker, Plugh 1 and Plugh 2 and Riley 1 and Riley 2.  But I deviate from my story, one night we had turned in with lights out, now after lights out there was  no talking allowed.  One guy named Robert Washington chimed out with goodnight Bob seven times.  One other asked what the hell you doing?  He replied I just thought all of us in this tent is named Robert, a thought that had escaped us all.  About that time the drill instructor stuck his head into the tent and blared “Bob up and kiss my A$$,   And give me fifty pushup’s”.  This was September and early November, hardly more than a mile off the ocean.  It was hot in the days but bitterly cold and often foggy at night.  We had these old cots with the thin canvas     bottom two sheets replaced weekly and the two thin wool blankets we had brought with us.  It got cold at night.  Each tent had a kerosene heater in it which when we were allowed to light them were useless in these tents and most of the time they would not ignite and when they did gave off a vile fume that was sicking.  We burned by day and froze by night but they were making tough Marines out of us kids. 

     let’s talk about the fun and games all day every day was spent learning how to aim and fire the weapon.  Hours and hours of snapping in, practicing aiming and squeezing the trigger.  then exercises to strengthening the arm mussels which left you arms so exhauted you could not hold the rifle steady.  March or run from one site to the other and if the DI was pi$$ed maybe you duck-walked with your rifle over your head.  Seems like we did a lot of duck-walking, every so often we fell out with our duffel bags  on our shoulders and duck-walked up and down some crappy hill.  We had one poor black guy who had been in the Marine Corps Reserve.  He had his full issue of clothing winter greens, summer khakis and being from Chicago even the heavy wool overcoat.  His bag weighed way more than the rest of us.  The DI gave him no breaks, sweat would pour off his head and soak his clothes.  I do not know how he survived it.

     On Sundays all through boot camp you could attend church service on base in formation.  We were allowed to purchase a certain number of Sunday newspapers for a few short hours on Sunday morning this was the only contact we had with the out side world other than our letters from home.  Sunday was grab a$$ day, we would be marched off to some remote area and usually be pitted against another platoon in some form of rough game.  Usually shirts against skins, in some contest which usually consisted of us all jumping into a pitt andtrying to eject the other side out by force.  Of course your DI was not happy if your platoon lost.  The one I hated the most had a huge six foot diameter ball we had to try to push past a goal line.  I was run over by the ball and trampled under foot more than once and once used as a battering ram.  At that time I was six foot tall and weighed one-hundred-eighteen pounds, just a long stick.

     We finally fired for qualification and this phase of training was over and we were to return to the depot in San Deigo.  the rumor was we were going to hike back so I convinced the guys we needed to fill our canteens.  We never kept water in them for some reason, but many followed my lead.  We lucked out and were bussed back to base. About half way the radiator on the buss we were riding in overheated.  After pulling to the side of the road and watching the rest of the convoy fade into the distance we asked the young driver if they carried jerry cans of water and he said no.  We were standing around scractching our a–es and heads.  I stepped up and handed the driver my canteen and said use this.  He laughed at me and said that ain’t enough.  To which I replied well there is thirty of us.  So there we stood along side highway101 with a line if young Marine Boots handing a navy pog our canteens and we made it back to base thirty minutes late.  Of course the Di blamed us for being late.

     Well those days are long gone and so is Camp Mathews.  Tucked into the memory of a old Marine Boot.  Got to rambel now ramblingbob 

18 Responses to “Boot Rifle Tranning at Camp Mathews”

  1. Steve Says:

    They had good desserts there also,the cooks &bakers school was there.

  2. Merle Fountain Says:

    Boot there in 1953, several platoons there as DI in 1956, 1957.
    Its UCSD campus these days. Amazing transformation

  3. Bert OLoughlin Says:

    Brings back many memories of Camp Mathews – especially duck walking up those damn hills.

  4. ramblingbob Says:

    You know now suppoedly they do not duck walk the recruits, because it suppoedly is harmfull to the knee’s (wonder if that is why mine are bad 50 years later? lol). But damn we sure did a bunch of it way back when.

  5. Prisciliano Avalos (percy) Says:

    I went throught Camp Matthews in 1964. Platoon 320,commenced 7 Feb 1964 was the last or next to last to qualify at Camp Matthews before it was turned over to UCSD. Most of us went to the fighting 7th, Camp Las Pulgas and the very next year(May 1965) we mounted out to South Vietnam.

    Semper Fi
    Percy (C 1/3 & H 2/7)

  6. Fred Cianci Says:

    I went through in mid May 1963. We forced marched with full pack and gear from Highway 1 to the camp. Can’t remember if it was 4 or 6 weeks but it was alot longer than the 2 weeks they do today. Qualified Rifle Expert with a 236 score, highest in Battalion. Brings back great memories, and started me on a lifetime love for long range shooting, which I still do today at 63.

  7. Robert L. Dark Says:

    Through Camp Matthews in July 1956. At this old age I would love to do it again. Platoon 182. What fun!!!

  8. Doc Smith Says:

    Yep, your reading it right, MCRD, Plt. 344, 1959, got out 63, joined the Navy, Corpsman, Field Med School, then FMF for next 16 years. Once a Marine always a Marine. That was a great description and brought back a lot of memories. Our DI had us fill our seabag with bedding and what ever else we had. Fall out, throw it down the hill, right across the company street, retrieve it, as needed. Then fall back in your tent, take everything out of the seabag and be ready for inspection in some humanely impossible short amount of time. That duck walking was not a good thing. I think they’ve changed a lot of the ways they do things now.Plt. 344 was right across the company street from the confidence course, so we got started on that sooner than 1st and 2nd Bn.s.
    Keep your K-bar whet, and your haversack dry. Semper Fi

    • ramblingbob Says:

      Had my K-bar for 51 years. It held a edge better than any thing I ever had. Gave it to my grandson on graduation from boot camp in 06. He has just returned from his tour of duty in Afghanistan. 6-2, 160 pounds of lean, hard, closed mouth Marine. Not much talk of the bad shit he endured. Saw three of his close comrads killed in front of him. Worse than Viet Nam, getting permission to engage, hell of a way to wage war.

  9. Lee Revell Says:

    Went through Camp Matthews in November of 1960. I remember agony hill well. We usually duck-walked it evenings after snapping in and/or firing all day. Had cake to celebrate the Marine Corps Birthday on the 10th. After qual day, we force marched back over the hills and to a point where we were picked up by cattle cars and driven back to MCRD. Our platoon (288) graduated on Pearl Harbor day, Dec. 7th, 1960. 49 years later, I continue to realize that the Corps owes me nothing……on the contrary. I will be forever indebted to it for instilling in me the virtues that have guided me through a great life. God, I miss those good ‘ol days! Semper Fi.

  10. Mike Harris Says:

    I went through Camp Matthews in April of 1960, Platoon 218. I recall Duck Walking only once when someone didn’t pre-qual. Upon reaching the tent camp, we had a talk with him. He qualified the next day.
    My favorite memory is eating an Olive while still in the chow line and being seen by my D.I. He stomped over to the line and his hot breath hissed in my ear to see him in the Duty Tent after chow. Eating was not a pleasure that evening and the punishment was worse than I thought. For eating an Olive, I was “awarded” 500 squat jumps to commence immediately in front of the Duty Tent. I made it to 250 before my legs cramped up and I fell over.

  11. Hal Brown Says:

    I went through Camp Matthews in August, 1951, with Plt. 194. The training and qualifying then was three weeks, but then my platoon had to pull one week mess duty there so we spent four weeks in those tents.

    Hal Brown, Sgt. 1951-1954

  12. Doc Kiesel Says:

    What memories! We only “duck walked” a few times in late 1960 but we had to carry our foot lockers on our backs. I also remember the whole platoon having to line up at the DI’s door and each and every one of us were given an attitude adjustment. And heaven forbid if you tightened up your stomach muscles because Gunny would make it that much worse. Ahhhh, those were the days

  13. Doc Kiesel Says:

    and we did HIKE all the way back from the rifle range to MCRD.

  14. James Lewis Says:

    Went through rifle training at Camp Mathews in November of 1961, Platoon 178. What a raw, beautiful landscape; about five years ago, I was saddened to hear it is now part of a college campus in the middle of civilization. I hated those tents at Camp Mathews, also. We about froze at night, but we were never allowed to light the stove that set in the middle of the tent. We had to roll up those sides of the tent every day. I qualified as high sharpshooter (216), but the other three times while on active duty in the Corps (1961 – 1966), I qualified as expert. We did some duck-walking, but mostly we just ran. We had a D.I. that just loved to run us for miles almost every night. That overnight bivouac and hike back from the range (at the end of rifle training) was something I remember vividly (rough).
    Thanks for reliving the memory.
    James Lewis

  15. Walter Zorich Says:

    Went through rifle training at Camp Mathews with Platoon 364 October 1953,One night about mid-night our Drill Instructors woke up the Platoon had us fall out in our scivvies (cold) a member of the platoon Earl Utnage (spelling may be different) from St.Louis Mo.I am also from St.Louis. Thought it was funny and started smiling, the Drill Instructor told Pvt Utnage to wipe the smile off his face,he tried but it returned the Drill Instructor picked up a rock started striking Pvt Utnage on the top of his head telling him to wipe the smile from his face throw it on the ground stomp on it kill it and bury it ,the smile returned several times ,the Drill Instructor repeated the drill until the smile was killed.
    Great Memories Semper Fi
    Sgt Walter J. Zorich

  16. Walter Zorich Says:

    To Prisciliano Avalos (percy) my brother Tony Zorich was with 2/7 and went to Vietnam in 1965

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